someone explain Lordship salvation

[phil hinson]

In the recent thread on prayer there was a mention of Ray Comfort in whom I have heard his college witness spill.

Now my thought on Lordship salvation is that after salvation I am to learn and let God have control of my life. It's hard for me to believe that anyone believes this way. Am I not seeing something here?

[Laura]

Hold tight, brother, because one of the men can probably explain it more clearly than I can. I understand what it is (I think?) but I've never familiarized myself with Ray Comfort.

You're on the right track with what you've got in your post. Yep, some people do think that way.

[InnSpectre]

From what I have experienced is that they are a lot like church of Christ and Penticostal Holiness.
There is no tolerance for growth in grace and maturing in the faith and growing in the Lord.
Faith and works are required in their theology, and Jesus must be Lord of your entire life..no slipups.
They assumingly believe that if you sin you are backslidden and were possibly never saved to begin with.
They believe that there are unforgivable sins, taking doctrine from the gospels and the general epistles..divorce, blasphemy against the Holy Ghost( which disobedience would be considered blasphemy)..divorce, faithlessness, ect.
Cambellites, Westleyan, Assemblys of God, Church of God, Seventh Day all would fit this bill IMO.
If I am mistaken, please correct me.

[InnSpectre]

Martin Luther quote:
Yet hear Martin Luther address the German Nobility on the Roman Catholic Church!:

"Doest thou hear this, O Pope! Not the most holy, but the most sinful? Would that God would hurl thy chair headlong from Heaven, and cast it down into the abyss of Hell! Who gave you the power to exalt yourself above God?...you dare to cancel his command, laying it down in your heretical, antichristian decretals, that you have power to do so; and through your mouth and your pen Satan lies as he never lied before... O Lord Christ! Look down upon this, let thy day of judgment come and destroy the Devil's lair at Rome. Behold him of whom St. Paul spoke (2 Thess. 2:3,4), that he should exalt himself about thee, and sit in thy Church, showing himself as God, the man of sin and the child of damnation.... The Pope treads God's commandments under foot, and exalts his own: if this is not Antichrist, I do not know what is. 26"

And a link on Lordship salvation:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20D...arthur.htm

[phil hinson]

So let me see... if I were one of them, I would have it figured out from day one. I can't figure it out twelve years layer, I don't know about yall, but I find myself in Romans chapter eleven more than not... verse 15 "For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I."

Some things that struck me wrong with Mr Comfort was his use of perverted scriptures and his leaving a poor soul empty handed when presenting the gospel message. What I mean is that on numerous occasions he would do his court jesting and would leave them at court, instead of laying in their lap salvations message which is what is going to draw the conviction Romans 10:17 " So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

[KrinkleGator]

This seems to be an easy way I found to explain it:

Lordship Salvation teaches that "in order to be saved" Jesus Christ must be the "Lord of your life." Now to quickly explain:

If you are saved, Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour. But salvation is by faith ALONE in the blood of Jesus Christ and His payment for your sins. Yes, your desire should be for Jesus Christ to be the Lord of your body, soul and spirit. But Lordship Salvation teaches a "by works" heresy that NO ONE can obtain. One of their favorite sayings is "If He's not Lord of ALL, He's not Lord at ALL". The simple fact is that no person who has ever lived made Jesus Christ the Lord of everything in their life. If they did, they would be sinless.

I know people who have used Ray Comfort's techniques and gotten far with them...but not necessarily using the same information as he does.

(09-09-2010 06:36 PM)InnSpectre Wrote:  Faith and works are required in their theology, and Jesus must be Lord of your entire life..no slipups.
They assumingly believe that if you sin you are backslidden and were possibly never saved to begin with.

[William]

Without specific reference to Ray Comfort, I can give you a little information on "Lordship Salvation." Basically, this belief can be summed up in the cliché: "If Christ is not Lord of all, He's not Lord at all." That's a very nice sentiment, and it would make a good bumper sticker, but it's very bad doctrine.

What they mean is this: If you're not living a virtually sinless life; if you haven't put every single area of your life under "the Lordship of Christ" (which we certainly should do); if you have unconfessed sin in your life, you're probably not saved. If He's not Lord of all, He's not Lord at all - - - or even your Saviour.

What this boils down to is the belief that "there's no such thing as a carnal Christian." Never mind what Paul said in 1 Cor. 3:1, where "brethren" are referred to as carnal; Paul didn't have the benefit of Calvinist or Charismatic teaching. Those are the two groups that promote this false doctrine. I've heard it from Calvinists (with whom I used to consort) a million times; and I've heard it from plenty of Charismatics. (Strange bedfellows, huh? I should emphasize that not all Calvinists believe this, or teach it.) They deny that "the old man" is still there, if you're genuinely saved. Some of them even deny that they have sin in their own lives, disregarding what 1 John 1:8 says.

Of course we should strive to be filled with the Spirit at all times, and we should try to avoid sin as much as possible; of course we should try to live holy lives, pleasing to God. But we won't get there completely, until we're made perfect and totally sanctified, at death or the Rapture. That's not an excuse for sin: it's an awareness of the struggles of the Christian life. Paul said it all in Romans 7.

But the "Lordship Salvation" people only focus on Matthew 5:48: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect. They don't rightly divide; they don't take the entire scripture into account.

Why do they teach this? For two reasons. Some of them are simply ignorant, or deceived by bad teaching. But others, in both the "Reformed" and Charismatic camps, do it to talk Christians out of their salvation. They say, "If you're not perfect, you're not saved." That way, they can "evangelize" them all over again. It's a sleazy way of non-witnessing, but they do it.

[Gary]

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