<![CDATA[AV Bible Believers Fellowship - All Forums]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/ Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:19:39 -0800 MyBB <![CDATA[My Cousin's Husband]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1581 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:17:09 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1581 Last night my second cousin came over to the house. She lives across the street from me. She told us that her sister Nelda's husband Bob had passed away that afternoon from a Pulmonary Embolism.

Nelda and Bob were missionaries in Ghana, Africa for over 40 years. They are both Believers. I would ask for prayer for Nelda as she starts this part of her life without her partner. They were married as near as I can remember 35-36 years. They met on the mission field.

Gary]]> Last night my second cousin came over to the house. She lives across the street from me. She told us that her sister Nelda's husband Bob had passed away that afternoon from a Pulmonary Embolism.

Nelda and Bob were missionaries in Ghana, Africa for over 40 years. They are both Believers. I would ask for prayer for Nelda as she starts this part of her life without her partner. They were married as near as I can remember 35-36 years. They met on the mission field.

Gary]]> <![CDATA[Woo Hoo]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1575 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:41:24 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1575
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]]> <![CDATA[Zachary Johnson]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1574 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:23:24 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1574 Please pray for this little boy. He is from the area we just moved from.

Apparently, the little boy was at his grandparents and had been jumping
and playing on the trampoline. The grandparents noticed that he was
acting lethargic at supper while at Cracker Barrel and took him to the
emergency room. It was determined that Zachary was bleeding in his
brain. Zachary was then air lifted to Scottish Rite Hospital / Egleston
Children's Health Care System in Atlanta. Zachary did not hit his head,
the damage seemed to have come from the impact of bouncing and playing on the trampoline. ]]> Please pray for this little boy. He is from the area we just moved from.

Apparently, the little boy was at his grandparents and had been jumping
and playing on the trampoline. The grandparents noticed that he was
acting lethargic at supper while at Cracker Barrel and took him to the
emergency room. It was determined that Zachary was bleeding in his
brain. Zachary was then air lifted to Scottish Rite Hospital / Egleston
Children's Health Care System in Atlanta. Zachary did not hit his head,
the damage seemed to have come from the impact of bouncing and playing on the trampoline. ]]> <![CDATA[...God Answers Prayer]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1573 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:50:41 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1573 Matthew 7:7-11

...God Answers Prayer


I read an article recently by an atheist who said that the promises about prayer in the Bible prove God does not exist. If prayer worked as "advertised," he said, why would there be any sick people in the world? We could all just pray them all well.

Honestly, my heart went out to this man who apparently has never experienced an answer to prayer. Answers are not to be measured or analyzed or used as tests of God. Rather, they are personal, often private, and immeasurably important in bonding to us to our Lord. Prayer is not a means whereby we can manipulate God. Rather it is communication with Him. Those who know answers to prayer fall more deeply in love with God, not simply out of appreciation, but because of intimacy.

FOR TODAY: Pause for a minute (a real, whole minute) and think about an answer to prayer.


Written By:
Pastor Lee Walker
Interim Executive Pastor
Bible Center Church]]> Matthew 7:7-11

...God Answers Prayer


I read an article recently by an atheist who said that the promises about prayer in the Bible prove God does not exist. If prayer worked as "advertised," he said, why would there be any sick people in the world? We could all just pray them all well.

Honestly, my heart went out to this man who apparently has never experienced an answer to prayer. Answers are not to be measured or analyzed or used as tests of God. Rather, they are personal, often private, and immeasurably important in bonding to us to our Lord. Prayer is not a means whereby we can manipulate God. Rather it is communication with Him. Those who know answers to prayer fall more deeply in love with God, not simply out of appreciation, but because of intimacy.

FOR TODAY: Pause for a minute (a real, whole minute) and think about an answer to prayer.


Written By:
Pastor Lee Walker
Interim Executive Pastor
Bible Center Church]]> <![CDATA[Sean Penn Wants Reporters Jailed for Calling Chavez 'Dictator']]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1572 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:31:56 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1572
If Oscar-winning actor Sean Penn had his way, any journalist who called Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez a dictator would quickly find himself behind bars.
~skip~
"Every day, this elected leader is called a dictator here, and we just accept it, and accept it" said Penn, winner of two Best Actor Academy Awards. "And this is mainstream media, who should -- truly, there should be a bar by which one goes to prison for these kinds of lies."

It was just the beginning of a busy weekend for Penn. When asked on CBS' "Sunday Morning" about those who question his motives for his humanitarian work in Haiti, he said:

"Do I hope that those people die screaming of rectal cancer? Yeah. You know, but I'm not going to spend a lot of energy on it."
Source]]>
If Oscar-winning actor Sean Penn had his way, any journalist who called Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez a dictator would quickly find himself behind bars.
~skip~
"Every day, this elected leader is called a dictator here, and we just accept it, and accept it" said Penn, winner of two Best Actor Academy Awards. "And this is mainstream media, who should -- truly, there should be a bar by which one goes to prison for these kinds of lies."

It was just the beginning of a busy weekend for Penn. When asked on CBS' "Sunday Morning" about those who question his motives for his humanitarian work in Haiti, he said:

"Do I hope that those people die screaming of rectal cancer? Yeah. You know, but I'm not going to spend a lot of energy on it."
Source]]> <![CDATA[My Eldest Son]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1571 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:49:21 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1571 <![CDATA[Requests from my Trip]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1570 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:50:07 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1570 I have some prayer requests related to my recent trip to Nashville:

My daughter and her fiance: they are living together, but are not planning to be married until July 2011. Neither is saved, either, and as he's a Roman Catholic, they are considering getting married in his church.

Jill and Larry, a couple at the church I attended on Sunday evening, just outside of Nashville: they have not been able to have a child, and time is running out. Please pray for the Lord's will in this situation.

Shawn, a young man I sat next to on the plane: please pray for him to grow in love and knowledge of the Lord, to keep him from false teachings (he's going to a church where they 'teach' tongues) and for an upcoming singing competition he'll be in, that others will see God's light through him and his music.

Thank you for your faithfulness in prayer.]]> I have some prayer requests related to my recent trip to Nashville:

My daughter and her fiance: they are living together, but are not planning to be married until July 2011. Neither is saved, either, and as he's a Roman Catholic, they are considering getting married in his church.

Jill and Larry, a couple at the church I attended on Sunday evening, just outside of Nashville: they have not been able to have a child, and time is running out. Please pray for the Lord's will in this situation.

Shawn, a young man I sat next to on the plane: please pray for him to grow in love and knowledge of the Lord, to keep him from false teachings (he's going to a church where they 'teach' tongues) and for an upcoming singing competition he'll be in, that others will see God's light through him and his music.

Thank you for your faithfulness in prayer.]]> <![CDATA[2 Samuel 24:13 - 7 or 3 years of famine? NIV, ESV, Holman blunder]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1568 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:37:12 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1568

2 Samuel 24:13 So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall SEVEN years of famine come unto thee in thy land? or wilt thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? or that there be three days' pestilence in thy land?

1 Chronicles 21:11-12 So Gad came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Choose thee either THREE years' famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;or else three days the sword of the Lord, even the pestilence, in the land...

There are many atheistic, Islamic and Bible Debunker sites on the internet which contain longs lists of supposed contradictions in the Bible.

On one Islamic site listing "101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible" this is number four.

Contradiction #4

God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13).

(b) Three (1 Chronicles 21:12).

Those Christians who continue to use the modern versions like the NASV, NIV, and NKJV will typically answer these objections in this way which is taken directly from the Apologetics Index.

"It is probably a copyist error and the better preserved text renders the famine as three years -- Walvoord, John F., and Zuck, Roy B., The Bible Knowledge Commentary, (Wheaton, Illinois: Scripture Press Publications, Inc.) 1983, 1985."

Another modern version site by the name of Tecktonic.org Apologetics Ministries has this to say: "Were there seven years of famine offered, or three (per 1 Chronicles 21:11)? Three is the more likely reading, favored by the LXX and by symmetry with the other punishments offered (three months of flight from enemies, three days of plague). Samuel was hit by a copyist error. See our foundational essay on copyist errors for general background. "

So, Samuel was hit by a copyist error, was he? Where was God during this whole process?

Another site that calls itself Rational Christianity - Christian Apologetics, which uses the NKJV has this to say: "This is a copyist error Presumably the correct number is three, since the other choices are threes.

Bible corrector Adam Clark confidently (and mistakenly) affirms: “Shall seven years of famine - In 1 Chronicles 21:12, the number is three, not seven; and here the Septuagint has three, the same as in Chronicles: this is no doubt the true reading.”

John Gill at least offers a reasonable explanation. He writes: “in (1 Chronicles 21:12) , only "three years" are mentioned, and so the Septuagint version here; but Josephus , the Targum, the Syriac and Arabic versions, have the number "seven"... for the reconciling of which let it be observed, that there had been three years of famine already on account of the sin of Saul, (2 Samuel 21:1) ; and in the current year, through the rains not falling in the proper time, the land was barren and unfruitful.. and the sense is, shall there be a continuance of seven years of famine, that is, three more added to what had been?”

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown likewise see the simple truth when they comment: “Shall seven years of famine come unto thee--that is, in addition to the three that had been already, with the current year included (see on 1Ch 21:11).”

In 2 Samuel 24: 13 the prophet Gad comes to David and says: "Shall SEVEN years of famine come unto thee in thy land?"

SEVEN years is the reading of the Hebrew text here as the NIV, RSV, NRSV, and ESV footnotes tell us. The reading of THREE YEARS comes from the Greek Septuagint version, but not the Hebrew.

The false reading in 2 Samuel 24:13 of THREE years is found in the NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NEB, Bible in Basic English, The Message, the Holman Standard, the 1989 Revised English Bible, the New Living Translation and the latest Catholic versions like the St. Joseph New American Bible 1970, the Jerusalem Bible 1968 and the New Jerusalem Bible 1985. However the older Catholic bibles like the Douay-Rheims and the 1950 Douay had the correct Hebrew reading of "SEVEN years".

Those versions that agree with the KJB and the Hebrew reading of SEVEN years are: Wycliffe 1395, Coverdale 1535, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1599, the Revised Version of 1881, the 1901 ASV, the Jewish translations of 1917, 1936, the Complete Jewish Bible, the Hebrew Names Version, even Daniel Wallace's NET version, the Spanish Reina Valera 1909, 1960, 1995, the Italian Diodati 1649, Riveduta 1927, the New Diodati 1991, the French Martin 1744, Louis Segond 1910, Ostervald 1996, the Portuguese Almeida, and O Livro 2000, Martin Luther's German Bible 1545, Rotherham's Emphasized Bible 1902, Lamsa's 1936 translation of the Syriac, the Modern Greek version (not to be confused with the so called LXX), the NASV, Douay, Young's, the New Berkeley Version 1969, the NKJV 1982, the New Life Bible, and even the Living Bible and the Amplified Bible.

This is really a very simple "contradiction" to solve if one just believes God's word as found in the King James Bible and takes the time to read it carefully.

Only in the book of 2 Samuel are we told in chapter 21:1 "Then there was a famine in the days of David THREE years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites.

David then, as requested by the Gibeonites, had seven men of the sons of Saul put to death by hanging in "the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of the barley harvest." This couldn't have been much of a harvest because the famine was still in the land. They would then have to wait till next year for a good crop.

Next we read of king David telling Joab to go and number the people of Israel. This census taking seems to have been a vain attempt by David to boast in the power of the flesh. See how stong I am and how many people I command. This was the sin that brought about the threatened judgment of more famine by God.

It is important to see that this numbering of the people took a period of 9 months and 20 days as is noted in 2 Samuel 24:8. "So when they had gone through all the land, they came to Jerusalem at the end of nine months and twenty days."

So, what we have here is four years of famine that had already preceeded the time when Gad comes to David and says in 2 Samuel 24:13 "Shall SEVEN years of famine come unto thee in the land?"

But when we look at 1 Chronicles, there is no mention of the famine that had already been going on before David numbered the people. There in 1 Chronicles we read: "Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee either THREE years' famine: or three months to be destroyed before thy foes...or else three days the sword of LORD, even the pestilence..."

So to answer the question: "Were there seven years of famine or only three?", the correct answer is BOTH. There were seven years of famine altogether; four had already occurred and three more years were threatened as a further judgment.

The King James Bible is right as always.

Will Kinney]]>

2 Samuel 24:13 So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall SEVEN years of famine come unto thee in thy land? or wilt thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? or that there be three days' pestilence in thy land?

1 Chronicles 21:11-12 So Gad came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Choose thee either THREE years' famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;or else three days the sword of the Lord, even the pestilence, in the land...

There are many atheistic, Islamic and Bible Debunker sites on the internet which contain longs lists of supposed contradictions in the Bible.

On one Islamic site listing "101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible" this is number four.

Contradiction #4

God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13).

(b) Three (1 Chronicles 21:12).

Those Christians who continue to use the modern versions like the NASV, NIV, and NKJV will typically answer these objections in this way which is taken directly from the Apologetics Index.

"It is probably a copyist error and the better preserved text renders the famine as three years -- Walvoord, John F., and Zuck, Roy B., The Bible Knowledge Commentary, (Wheaton, Illinois: Scripture Press Publications, Inc.) 1983, 1985."

Another modern version site by the name of Tecktonic.org Apologetics Ministries has this to say: "Were there seven years of famine offered, or three (per 1 Chronicles 21:11)? Three is the more likely reading, favored by the LXX and by symmetry with the other punishments offered (three months of flight from enemies, three days of plague). Samuel was hit by a copyist error. See our foundational essay on copyist errors for general background. "

So, Samuel was hit by a copyist error, was he? Where was God during this whole process?

Another site that calls itself Rational Christianity - Christian Apologetics, which uses the NKJV has this to say: "This is a copyist error Presumably the correct number is three, since the other choices are threes.

Bible corrector Adam Clark confidently (and mistakenly) affirms: “Shall seven years of famine - In 1 Chronicles 21:12, the number is three, not seven; and here the Septuagint has three, the same as in Chronicles: this is no doubt the true reading.”

John Gill at least offers a reasonable explanation. He writes: “in (1 Chronicles 21:12) , only "three years" are mentioned, and so the Septuagint version here; but Josephus , the Targum, the Syriac and Arabic versions, have the number "seven"... for the reconciling of which let it be observed, that there had been three years of famine already on account of the sin of Saul, (2 Samuel 21:1) ; and in the current year, through the rains not falling in the proper time, the land was barren and unfruitful.. and the sense is, shall there be a continuance of seven years of famine, that is, three more added to what had been?”

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown likewise see the simple truth when they comment: “Shall seven years of famine come unto thee--that is, in addition to the three that had been already, with the current year included (see on 1Ch 21:11).”

In 2 Samuel 24: 13 the prophet Gad comes to David and says: "Shall SEVEN years of famine come unto thee in thy land?"

SEVEN years is the reading of the Hebrew text here as the NIV, RSV, NRSV, and ESV footnotes tell us. The reading of THREE YEARS comes from the Greek Septuagint version, but not the Hebrew.

The false reading in 2 Samuel 24:13 of THREE years is found in the NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NEB, Bible in Basic English, The Message, the Holman Standard, the 1989 Revised English Bible, the New Living Translation and the latest Catholic versions like the St. Joseph New American Bible 1970, the Jerusalem Bible 1968 and the New Jerusalem Bible 1985. However the older Catholic bibles like the Douay-Rheims and the 1950 Douay had the correct Hebrew reading of "SEVEN years".

Those versions that agree with the KJB and the Hebrew reading of SEVEN years are: Wycliffe 1395, Coverdale 1535, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1599, the Revised Version of 1881, the 1901 ASV, the Jewish translations of 1917, 1936, the Complete Jewish Bible, the Hebrew Names Version, even Daniel Wallace's NET version, the Spanish Reina Valera 1909, 1960, 1995, the Italian Diodati 1649, Riveduta 1927, the New Diodati 1991, the French Martin 1744, Louis Segond 1910, Ostervald 1996, the Portuguese Almeida, and O Livro 2000, Martin Luther's German Bible 1545, Rotherham's Emphasized Bible 1902, Lamsa's 1936 translation of the Syriac, the Modern Greek version (not to be confused with the so called LXX), the NASV, Douay, Young's, the New Berkeley Version 1969, the NKJV 1982, the New Life Bible, and even the Living Bible and the Amplified Bible.

This is really a very simple "contradiction" to solve if one just believes God's word as found in the King James Bible and takes the time to read it carefully.

Only in the book of 2 Samuel are we told in chapter 21:1 "Then there was a famine in the days of David THREE years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites.

David then, as requested by the Gibeonites, had seven men of the sons of Saul put to death by hanging in "the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of the barley harvest." This couldn't have been much of a harvest because the famine was still in the land. They would then have to wait till next year for a good crop.

Next we read of king David telling Joab to go and number the people of Israel. This census taking seems to have been a vain attempt by David to boast in the power of the flesh. See how stong I am and how many people I command. This was the sin that brought about the threatened judgment of more famine by God.

It is important to see that this numbering of the people took a period of 9 months and 20 days as is noted in 2 Samuel 24:8. "So when they had gone through all the land, they came to Jerusalem at the end of nine months and twenty days."

So, what we have here is four years of famine that had already preceeded the time when Gad comes to David and says in 2 Samuel 24:13 "Shall SEVEN years of famine come unto thee in the land?"

But when we look at 1 Chronicles, there is no mention of the famine that had already been going on before David numbered the people. There in 1 Chronicles we read: "Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee either THREE years' famine: or three months to be destroyed before thy foes...or else three days the sword of LORD, even the pestilence..."

So to answer the question: "Were there seven years of famine or only three?", the correct answer is BOTH. There were seven years of famine altogether; four had already occurred and three more years were threatened as a further judgment.

The King James Bible is right as always.

Will Kinney]]> <![CDATA[Tax on Pizza and Soda]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1567 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:11:41 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1567 (Reuters) - U.S. researchers estimate that an 18 percent tax on pizza and soda can push down U.S. adults' calorie intake enough to lower their average weight by 5 pounds (2 kg) per year.

SOURCE

OK, now they have gone too far. taxing pizza and soda. Pizza is the perfect food. Crust=bread group, Vegetable Toppings=Veggie group, Meat Toppings=Meat group, and Sauce=necessary spices to promote healthy circulation and lowered cholesterol. You have to have soda to was it down. Coca Cola is preferred when eating pizza.

Tax and control Drugs, Liquor, Cigarettes and other vices. But leave my Pizza and soda alone.]]> (Reuters) - U.S. researchers estimate that an 18 percent tax on pizza and soda can push down U.S. adults' calorie intake enough to lower their average weight by 5 pounds (2 kg) per year.

SOURCE

OK, now they have gone too far. taxing pizza and soda. Pizza is the perfect food. Crust=bread group, Vegetable Toppings=Veggie group, Meat Toppings=Meat group, and Sauce=necessary spices to promote healthy circulation and lowered cholesterol. You have to have soda to was it down. Coca Cola is preferred when eating pizza.

Tax and control Drugs, Liquor, Cigarettes and other vices. But leave my Pizza and soda alone.]]> <![CDATA[My Dog Qualifies for Welfare.]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1565 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:07:18 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1565
So I explained to her that my dog is unemployed, lazy, can’t speak English and has no clue who his daddy is. So she looked in her policy book to see what it takes to qualify.

My dog gets his first check Friday. Is this a great country or what?]]>
So I explained to her that my dog is unemployed, lazy, can’t speak English and has no clue who his daddy is. So she looked in her policy book to see what it takes to qualify.

My dog gets his first check Friday. Is this a great country or what?]]> <![CDATA[SPAM in My inbox..]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1564 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:53:37 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1564 <![CDATA[...God Intervened]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1562 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 05:24:10 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1562 Romans 5:8

...God Intervened


It's hard to imagine anyone who doesn't think he or she is a sinner. It might be easy to justify and convince ourselves that we are no worse than someone else. But simply answering the question, "have you ever done a bad thing," surely we all get it. Yes, I am a sinner and so are you. And what must be the consequences?

But the good news: God intervened. Who is the "we" in our verse today? Obviously it was the writer, Paul, and his readers, the Roman Christians. But no doubt, all those for whom Christ died are part of the "we" as well. it is such good news that we did not have to reach any level of righteousness before, Christ's death could count for us. No preconditions. no matter how bad we are, or have been, Christ died for us.

FOR TODAY: If you have never received Christ as your personal Savior, do so now. Then call someone.

Written By:
Pastor Lee Walker
Interim Executive Pastor
Bible Center Church]]> Romans 5:8

...God Intervened


It's hard to imagine anyone who doesn't think he or she is a sinner. It might be easy to justify and convince ourselves that we are no worse than someone else. But simply answering the question, "have you ever done a bad thing," surely we all get it. Yes, I am a sinner and so are you. And what must be the consequences?

But the good news: God intervened. Who is the "we" in our verse today? Obviously it was the writer, Paul, and his readers, the Roman Christians. But no doubt, all those for whom Christ died are part of the "we" as well. it is such good news that we did not have to reach any level of righteousness before, Christ's death could count for us. No preconditions. no matter how bad we are, or have been, Christ died for us.

FOR TODAY: If you have never received Christ as your personal Savior, do so now. Then call someone.

Written By:
Pastor Lee Walker
Interim Executive Pastor
Bible Center Church]]> <![CDATA[…God Intends Goodwill To Men]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1561 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 05:09:02 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1561 Luke 2:8-14


…God Intends Goodwill To Men


Bad news bombards us every day. Earthquakes hit, unemployment spikes, children suffer, terrorists kill…the list is long. But the Bible is full of good news. Let’s take this week to be reminded.

The Christmas story is replete with beautiful and meaningful details, some obvious, some obscure and some so simple we may overlook. Consider the angel’s announcement to the shepherds. The scene starts with one angel telling the men: “Don’t be afraid, I’ve got good news for you: a savior has just been born.” But that’s not enough. Suddenly one angel is accompanied by a heavenly host (who knows how many creatures that is) who proclaim”…and on earth peace, goodwill toward men.” Talk about good news! The God of the universe, Creator of all, the One against whom man sins, announces He intends goodwill toward people. Good news indeed!


FOR TODAY: Imagine what it must have been like to hear THAT good news

Written By:

Pastor Lee Walker

Interim Executive Pastor

Bible Center Church]]> Luke 2:8-14


…God Intends Goodwill To Men


Bad news bombards us every day. Earthquakes hit, unemployment spikes, children suffer, terrorists kill…the list is long. But the Bible is full of good news. Let’s take this week to be reminded.

The Christmas story is replete with beautiful and meaningful details, some obvious, some obscure and some so simple we may overlook. Consider the angel’s announcement to the shepherds. The scene starts with one angel telling the men: “Don’t be afraid, I’ve got good news for you: a savior has just been born.” But that’s not enough. Suddenly one angel is accompanied by a heavenly host (who knows how many creatures that is) who proclaim”…and on earth peace, goodwill toward men.” Talk about good news! The God of the universe, Creator of all, the One against whom man sins, announces He intends goodwill toward people. Good news indeed!


FOR TODAY: Imagine what it must have been like to hear THAT good news

Written By:

Pastor Lee Walker

Interim Executive Pastor

Bible Center Church]]> <![CDATA[Sick And Tired of All this]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1558 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:42:49 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1558
Toetap]]>
Toetap]]> <![CDATA[Food Recall!]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1557 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:16:15 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1557
Salmonella has been found in a company's supply of hydrolyzed vegetable protein.

Processed foods like soups, sauces chilies, dips, dressings and even hot dogs are on the recall list.

A food additive found to be contaminated with Salmonella could be an ingredient in several thousand food products.

The additive is called Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein, or HVP for short.

It's used as a flavor enhancer in dips, salad dressings , soups, sauces and many other processed foods.

A customer of the Las Vegas based Basic Food Flavors discovered the Salmonella and alerted The Food and Drug Administration.

Now, more than several dozen products have been recalled and the number is likely to grow.

The FDA said it's unlikely anyone will get sick over this.

Huntsville doctor Tim Howard said it can happen and Salmonella can cause serious infections.

"It's a bacteria that is passed through the gut, so what happens is there could be contamination from chicken," said Dr. Howard.

If you have any recalled products, you should not eat them.

You can take them back to the store where they were purchased for a refund.

To view a complete list of the recalled products, visit the FDA's recall website.

©2010 WAFF. All rights reserved.]]>
Salmonella has been found in a company's supply of hydrolyzed vegetable protein.

Processed foods like soups, sauces chilies, dips, dressings and even hot dogs are on the recall list.

A food additive found to be contaminated with Salmonella could be an ingredient in several thousand food products.

The additive is called Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein, or HVP for short.

It's used as a flavor enhancer in dips, salad dressings , soups, sauces and many other processed foods.

A customer of the Las Vegas based Basic Food Flavors discovered the Salmonella and alerted The Food and Drug Administration.

Now, more than several dozen products have been recalled and the number is likely to grow.

The FDA said it's unlikely anyone will get sick over this.

Huntsville doctor Tim Howard said it can happen and Salmonella can cause serious infections.

"It's a bacteria that is passed through the gut, so what happens is there could be contamination from chicken," said Dr. Howard.

If you have any recalled products, you should not eat them.

You can take them back to the store where they were purchased for a refund.

To view a complete list of the recalled products, visit the FDA's recall website.

©2010 WAFF. All rights reserved.]]> <![CDATA[Final Propositional Revelation]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1555 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:23:10 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1555
Quote:our belief that the King James Bible, as edited and standardized in 1769, is God's perfect and unique word, and His final propositional revelation to man in the English language; that it supersedes the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts from which it was translated; that all English versions of the Bible since 1769 are counterfeits and frauds; and that the Authorized King James Bible is God's perfect word, and the only rule of faith and practice. We believe that there are reliable versions and unreliable versions in other languages; but that where any of these conflict with, or contradict, the King James Bible, the King James Bible is the standard against which all others must be measured. We specifically disavow allegiance to "the original autographs," because God, in His wisdom, did not choose to preserve them. The Authorized Version, called the King James Bible, is God's unique, preserved, and perfect propositional revelation, for which we thank Him, and which we strive to study, learn, and obey.

OK time for stupid question time from this old redneck!!

What is meant by the bolded phrase above. Propositional gives me the idea it is a proposal and therefore not a firm thing.

Please someone explain it to me.

Gary]]>
Quote:our belief that the King James Bible, as edited and standardized in 1769, is God's perfect and unique word, and His final propositional revelation to man in the English language; that it supersedes the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts from which it was translated; that all English versions of the Bible since 1769 are counterfeits and frauds; and that the Authorized King James Bible is God's perfect word, and the only rule of faith and practice. We believe that there are reliable versions and unreliable versions in other languages; but that where any of these conflict with, or contradict, the King James Bible, the King James Bible is the standard against which all others must be measured. We specifically disavow allegiance to "the original autographs," because God, in His wisdom, did not choose to preserve them. The Authorized Version, called the King James Bible, is God's unique, preserved, and perfect propositional revelation, for which we thank Him, and which we strive to study, learn, and obey.

OK time for stupid question time from this old redneck!!

What is meant by the bolded phrase above. Propositional gives me the idea it is a proposal and therefore not a firm thing.

Please someone explain it to me.

Gary]]> <![CDATA[How the Lord led us to Autauga Heights Baptist Church]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1554 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:10:02 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1554

How the Lord led us to Autauga Heights Baptist Church

When we found out we were moving to Alabama we immediately began searching online for Independent Baptist Churches that wouldn’t be more than 30 minutes away from us.

We really felt the need to find one that was not legalistic and one that did not have too many children’s activities. We also felt the need to find one that would be accepting of our family regardless of our faults.

When we moved to Montgomery we had a list of 5 churches. All of them were ones that we had done extensive research on, via conversations with the pastors as well as google, listening to sermons online and more.

We had to decide which one would benefit our family the most without us having to compromise too much on our own beliefs. This was a most daunting task.

1 of the 5 churches would have caused us to compromise on our belief that the King James Bible, as edited and standardized in 1769, is God's perfect and unique word, and His final propositional revelation to man in the English language; that it supersedes the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts from which it was translated; that all English versions of the Bible since 1769 are counterfeits and frauds; and that the Authorized King James Bible is God's perfect word, and the only rule of faith and practice. We believe that there are reliable versions and unreliable versions in other languages; but that where any of these conflict with, or contradict, the King James Bible, the King James Bible is the standard against which all others must be measured. We specifically disavow allegiance to "the original autographs," because God, in His wisdom, did not choose to preserve them. The Authorized Version, called the King James Bible, is God's unique, preserved, and perfect propositional revelation, for which we thank Him, and which we strive to study, learn, and obey.

*Can’t go there! Did not want to compromise on the Bible*

3 of the 5 were Independent Fundamental churches and were ones that would have required us to a) let the kids go to all the children’s activities or b) have the kids sit with us in service and resent us for not allowing them to go with their friends. These 3 IFB churches also placed church attendance (including any social functions) as a higher priority than the Lord. That would have caused us to compromise on 2 beliefs –1) that our children need to be with us and that it would be wrong to cause them to be provoked to wrath by withholding the children’s functions from them and 2) that church attendance, while a very high priority & very important, is NOT first. God created the family before he created church therefore it is our belief that it goes in this order: 1) God, 2) Family, 3) Church, 4) Others & 5) Ourselves. We do NOT believe that a church should use church attendance as a gauge to judge it’s members in their Christian walks – rather they should be judged by how they live the Christian life outside the church walls.

The last church is led by a PBI (Pensacola Bible Institute) graduate. It is an Independent Bible Believing Baptist Church. We had marked this church as the last on our list because we were somewhat unsure of it due to it being influenced some by Dr. Ruckman.

We prayed and prayed and prayed before we even moved to AL. We decided that this church wasn’t going to be for us and pretty much checked it off the list. Just before we moved a couple friends of ours from a forum started talking about the pastor of this particular church – they had met him at the Blowout in February. I confided in them some of our fears and we also confided in the pastor about some of them. We also talked to 3 people who personally know Dr. Ruckman. (who we only learned about 18 months ago) We prayed some more. Discussed some more. Prayed some more. Discussed some more. We had conversations back and forth with the pastor. Prayed some more and discussed some more.

After we moved, Carl got an email from someone at Maxwell from another squadron (mind you, nobody knew we were here yet) and welcomed him and invited us to church. This person told Carl that we had been on their prayer list since November and they were all very excited to meet us. On this particular day Carl didn’t know what communications had transpired specifically. He knew I was in contact with the pastor again and that we were going to talk about it when he got home. He forwarded that email to me. That ‘coincidence’ could only be the hand of God. There are no coincidences with the Lord. That particular email WAS the answer – a clear, direct, no doubt about it answer to our prayers that the Lord would direct us clearly because we just didn’t know what to do.

We prayed some more and discussed some more – even made a few excuses to try to get out of it. God left absolutely no doubt in either of our minds and we were at peace with the decision to attend this church. We are waiting to switch our membership over to it for a few weeks or a couple of months, just in case, but we are positive this is where the Lord has us.

This church is not a ‘family’ church. Yes, there are a couple family members in it but there are more ‘non-family’ members than the other. They do not lord the ‘pastor’ title over anyone. The Bible is preached straightforward. There is Sunday School but as of yet no other children’s programs. However, that may change. (smile) There are many children around our kids’ ages. They are not legalistic nor do they preach “Church is the most important” – they take God and the Bible and what God says seriously but not themselves. (smile) They have fun being a Christian and don’t make it a ‘humdrum’ lifestyle.

Anyway – this is how the Lord has worked out our new church home. It may not be the type of church you would be happy in, but it is one that we are happy in. It is one that we can grow, one where we can raise our children in the Word of God, one where we can be who we are and one that we can serve HIM in.

God is GOOD!!!]]>

How the Lord led us to Autauga Heights Baptist Church

When we found out we were moving to Alabama we immediately began searching online for Independent Baptist Churches that wouldn’t be more than 30 minutes away from us.

We really felt the need to find one that was not legalistic and one that did not have too many children’s activities. We also felt the need to find one that would be accepting of our family regardless of our faults.

When we moved to Montgomery we had a list of 5 churches. All of them were ones that we had done extensive research on, via conversations with the pastors as well as google, listening to sermons online and more.

We had to decide which one would benefit our family the most without us having to compromise too much on our own beliefs. This was a most daunting task.

1 of the 5 churches would have caused us to compromise on our belief that the King James Bible, as edited and standardized in 1769, is God's perfect and unique word, and His final propositional revelation to man in the English language; that it supersedes the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts from which it was translated; that all English versions of the Bible since 1769 are counterfeits and frauds; and that the Authorized King James Bible is God's perfect word, and the only rule of faith and practice. We believe that there are reliable versions and unreliable versions in other languages; but that where any of these conflict with, or contradict, the King James Bible, the King James Bible is the standard against which all others must be measured. We specifically disavow allegiance to "the original autographs," because God, in His wisdom, did not choose to preserve them. The Authorized Version, called the King James Bible, is God's unique, preserved, and perfect propositional revelation, for which we thank Him, and which we strive to study, learn, and obey.

*Can’t go there! Did not want to compromise on the Bible*

3 of the 5 were Independent Fundamental churches and were ones that would have required us to a) let the kids go to all the children’s activities or b) have the kids sit with us in service and resent us for not allowing them to go with their friends. These 3 IFB churches also placed church attendance (including any social functions) as a higher priority than the Lord. That would have caused us to compromise on 2 beliefs –1) that our children need to be with us and that it would be wrong to cause them to be provoked to wrath by withholding the children’s functions from them and 2) that church attendance, while a very high priority & very important, is NOT first. God created the family before he created church therefore it is our belief that it goes in this order: 1) God, 2) Family, 3) Church, 4) Others & 5) Ourselves. We do NOT believe that a church should use church attendance as a gauge to judge it’s members in their Christian walks – rather they should be judged by how they live the Christian life outside the church walls.

The last church is led by a PBI (Pensacola Bible Institute) graduate. It is an Independent Bible Believing Baptist Church. We had marked this church as the last on our list because we were somewhat unsure of it due to it being influenced some by Dr. Ruckman.

We prayed and prayed and prayed before we even moved to AL. We decided that this church wasn’t going to be for us and pretty much checked it off the list. Just before we moved a couple friends of ours from a forum started talking about the pastor of this particular church – they had met him at the Blowout in February. I confided in them some of our fears and we also confided in the pastor about some of them. We also talked to 3 people who personally know Dr. Ruckman. (who we only learned about 18 months ago) We prayed some more. Discussed some more. Prayed some more. Discussed some more. We had conversations back and forth with the pastor. Prayed some more and discussed some more.

After we moved, Carl got an email from someone at Maxwell from another squadron (mind you, nobody knew we were here yet) and welcomed him and invited us to church. This person told Carl that we had been on their prayer list since November and they were all very excited to meet us. On this particular day Carl didn’t know what communications had transpired specifically. He knew I was in contact with the pastor again and that we were going to talk about it when he got home. He forwarded that email to me. That ‘coincidence’ could only be the hand of God. There are no coincidences with the Lord. That particular email WAS the answer – a clear, direct, no doubt about it answer to our prayers that the Lord would direct us clearly because we just didn’t know what to do.

We prayed some more and discussed some more – even made a few excuses to try to get out of it. God left absolutely no doubt in either of our minds and we were at peace with the decision to attend this church. We are waiting to switch our membership over to it for a few weeks or a couple of months, just in case, but we are positive this is where the Lord has us.

This church is not a ‘family’ church. Yes, there are a couple family members in it but there are more ‘non-family’ members than the other. They do not lord the ‘pastor’ title over anyone. The Bible is preached straightforward. There is Sunday School but as of yet no other children’s programs. However, that may change. (smile) There are many children around our kids’ ages. They are not legalistic nor do they preach “Church is the most important” – they take God and the Bible and what God says seriously but not themselves. (smile) They have fun being a Christian and don’t make it a ‘humdrum’ lifestyle.

Anyway – this is how the Lord has worked out our new church home. It may not be the type of church you would be happy in, but it is one that we are happy in. It is one that we can grow, one where we can raise our children in the Word of God, one where we can be who we are and one that we can serve HIM in.

God is GOOD!!!]]> <![CDATA[Quiet?]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1551 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:33:10 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1551 It sure is quiet today. Toetap]]> It sure is quiet today. Toetap]]> <![CDATA[Someday He'll Make It Plain]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1545 Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:41:53 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1545 Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.t love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Someday He'll Make It Plain

Lydia S. Leech, 1911

I do not know why oft ’round me
My hopes all shattered seem to be;
God’s perfect plan I cannot see,
But someday I’ll understand.

Refrain:
Someday He’ll make it plain to me,
Someday when I His face shall see;
Someday from tears I shall be free,
For someday I shall understand.

I cannot tell the depth of love,
Which moves the Father’s heart above;
My faith to test, my love to prove,
But someday I’ll understand.

Though trials come through passing days,
My life will still be filled with praise;
For God will lead through darkened ways,
But someday I’ll understand.]]> Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.t love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Someday He'll Make It Plain

Lydia S. Leech, 1911

I do not know why oft ’round me
My hopes all shattered seem to be;
God’s perfect plan I cannot see,
But someday I’ll understand.

Refrain:
Someday He’ll make it plain to me,
Someday when I His face shall see;
Someday from tears I shall be free,
For someday I shall understand.

I cannot tell the depth of love,
Which moves the Father’s heart above;
My faith to test, my love to prove,
But someday I’ll understand.

Though trials come through passing days,
My life will still be filled with praise;
For God will lead through darkened ways,
But someday I’ll understand.]]> <![CDATA[Warden: Seminary helped lower violence]]> http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1537 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 03:27:14 -0800 http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1537 Angola is the Louisiana State Penitentiary North of Baton Rouge by I don't know how many miles (I never was good at measurements), but it is up to the border with Mississippi, bordered by the Mississippi River.

The seminary isn't the only thing in which God has used to change hearts, but has used Evangelistic Crusades, prison ministries and the Christian inmates themselves on others.
Article: Angola (History), once considered America’s most dangerous prison, has seen violence cut by more than half since the seminary opened in 1998. In that year, there were 870 violent incidents (defined as murder, escape, suicide, assaults on staff and assaults on inmates). In 2009, that number was 362.

“You don’t see fights. You don’t see all these things,” he said. “You could take a walk down the hall right now. You won’t hear people acting crazy, because God has come in here and healed the minds of these men, really changed their lives.
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Cain said the seminary program has been key to changing the culture of a prison that houses more than 5,000 inmates, nearly all of whom have life sentences.

“I know people think … ‘jailhouse religion.’ That’s not what it is. It’s the real deal. God is real in this place and he’s real in the hearts of men, and men are changed and are being changed. … God has changed our lives, and the evidence is there. Come and see.”

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Read full story here:]]> Angola is the Louisiana State Penitentiary North of Baton Rouge by I don't know how many miles (I never was good at measurements), but it is up to the border with Mississippi, bordered by the Mississippi River.

The seminary isn't the only thing in which God has used to change hearts, but has used Evangelistic Crusades, prison ministries and the Christian inmates themselves on others.
Article: Angola (History), once considered America’s most dangerous prison, has seen violence cut by more than half since the seminary opened in 1998. In that year, there were 870 violent incidents (defined as murder, escape, suicide, assaults on staff and assaults on inmates). In 2009, that number was 362.

“You don’t see fights. You don’t see all these things,” he said. “You could take a walk down the hall right now. You won’t hear people acting crazy, because God has come in here and healed the minds of these men, really changed their lives.
-skip-
Cain said the seminary program has been key to changing the culture of a prison that houses more than 5,000 inmates, nearly all of whom have life sentences.

“I know people think … ‘jailhouse religion.’ That’s not what it is. It’s the real deal. God is real in this place and he’s real in the hearts of men, and men are changed and are being changed. … God has changed our lives, and the evidence is there. Come and see.”

[Image: 030610angolacrimegraphic.jpg]

Read full story here:]]>