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I watched a cute movie with my family, Gnomeo & Juliet. It was funny and my 3 year old enjoyed it. I also like watching Cake Boss and Cake Boss: The Next Great Baker. Makes me want to go try to make big cakes.

Do it, bake cakes!

And feel free to share them.

(12-30-2011 07:24 AM)Bibelleauwer Wrote: [ -> ]My dd and I just watched the first part of Scarlett, we take a break now (beautiful weather outside) and will watch again later today

We were able to finish our Scarlett marathon and my dd said she had a great time as mother and daughter...


On to our next project together, We want to read together.
Anyone familiar with this book or the writer?

(01-01-2012 05:11 PM)Bibelleauwer Wrote: [ -> ]On to our next project together, We want to read together.
Anyone familiar with this book or the writer?

Nancy Leigh DeMoss is the daughter of Art DeMoss, and is the Chairman of the Board and Treasurer of the Arthur S. DeMoss Foundation, which was established in her father's honor after his death in 1979. Arthur and Ted DeMoss are regarded as royalty in American evangelical circles - - - but remember, in America, "evangelical" and "fundamental" have different meanings, although both groups are composed of saved people.

Art and Ted were very successful businessmen, and financed a lot of Christian causes. That's what the Foundation is continuing to do. Among the groups they fund are the apostate Moody Institute (formerly the Moody Bible Institute); the apostate Campus Crusade (formerly Campus Crusade for Christ); Samaritan's Purse, the very good Christian relief organization run by Franklin Graham; and Prison Fellowship, Charles Colson's group, which does some good work in prisons, but is less evangelistic every year. They also fund some anti-abortion groups and various "Bring America Back to God" type organizations.

Nancy is one of the evangelical women who are so successful, and used in many ways by God, in America. Her counterparts, with whom she holds "women's conferences," include Anne Graham Lotz (Billy Graham's daughter) and Kay Arthur (who was my friend and my first spiritual mentor, when I was a new Christian and she was a thirty-ish woman ministering to college students). Oh, and Joni Earickson Tada, the quadriplegic artist with the great testimony. Nancy, and others in the DeMoss family, also work closely with Tony Campolo, a very popular author who is a Campbellite (the "Church of Christ" that believes baptism is necessary for salvation: Ruckman calls them "water dogs").

I don't mean to lecture, Sister Margreet, but I'm filling you in on some cultural differences. Those of us in this forum would be defined, in America, as fundamentalists, and are primarily centered on the importance of the Bible. (I don't like the term "fundamentalist," but that's what they call us. I call myself a Bible-believer; that's enough.) In Europe, we'd be called evangelicals.

But American evangelicals are different. They're more centered on "the Christian life" and less on the Bible. They believe the Bible is God's word, but only in the "original autographs." (I know these folks so well because I was one of them, for the first 13 years of my Christian life.) They have no great respect for the King James Bible. No, that's wrong: they respect it, but they don't believe it's special; and they believe that its Greek text, the Textus Receptus, is wrong. They prefer any and all of the new versions, and the Alexandrian Greek texts. Nancy DeMoss might have a lot of great material on the Christian life, and her book might be a real blessing. But her beliefs about the Bible are not like ours.

I'm trying to be objective. These people help a lot of folks get saved. But they do not believe in the Protestant Bible; they believe in the Roman Catholic manuscripts underlying the new versions. They do some good work, and we'll spend eternity with them. I'm sure Nancy, like my beloved Kay Arthur, is a lovely woman and a radiant Christian. But this is the kind of person who kept me in the dark for 13 years, saying that all the new versions were better than the KJB (or its European equivalents).

I would guess than Hannah Gresh is a Christian ghost-writer who helped write the book. Nothing wrong with that.

If that helps answer your question....

Thanks for the information, William. You are a font of knowledge about so-called 'evangelical Christians'!

For Christmas my dh gave me a set of DVDs, and I'm thinking of watching the first one tomorrow:

(01-01-2012 08:25 PM)Here Am I Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the information, William. You are a font of knowledge about so-called 'evangelical Christians'!

For Christmas my dh gave me a set of DVDs, and I'm thinking of watching the first one tomorrow:

DH did good!

(01-01-2012 05:11 PM)Bibelleauwer Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone familiar with this book or the writer?

Yes, years ago I read:



To be honest, I don't remember it doing much for me one way or the other. Some books I read during that period really made an impact on me, but this wasn't one of them. I don't read any books of this type anymore, although I used to be addicted to them and I've kept many of them. Things just got too confusing and I lost trust in just about everybody. Now I read my Bible, pray, and talk to the few people I do trust.

Thank you so much William and Lynne!

I know some of the differences, but trust me brother, you'll be called a fundamentalist and extremist here too, we are too And I have no problem with the namecalling, to me it says "you stand apart from the apostates".... (Most asked question when they hear our "name" Bible believing Baptists: are there Baptists not believing the Bible then? Our reply: Sadly, yes, a whole bunch.)
Here in the NL (moderate) Baptists and Pentacostals are called evangelicals and every one that calls him/herself Biblebeliever (but even the hardcore Calvinist) is a fundamentalist and somewhat dangerous in the mind of society.... (because no-one researches and all blabber after the next one).

We, on the other hand, call the people who have to live to rules and don't have the SV/KJB as their authority fundamentalists

I know and read about several people you mention.
For me/us, with every book (even if it is KJbased) I read every Bible text AND its context to see what the people want it to say is correct, that's also what we learn our children: discernment, don't believe every one on his pretty blue eyes or even because they cite the the right Bible.
Some books are ok and others are better, but none (of course) is perfect exept for the Bible
I've also the book Lynne shows, but haven't read it yet.
I also read books like that to see what others believe and how to answer them with Scripture when someone comes along.
But I was raised in a family where women were in charge and although the Lord has straightened me out pretty well, there always needs more shaving and carving to be done. Never ready with that as long as I'm here on earth....

Sorry for derailing this thread, can't promise it will never happen again....

(01-02-2012 11:05 AM)Bibelleauwer Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you so much William and Lynne!

I know some of the differences, but trust me brother, you'll be called a fundamentalist and extremist here too, we are too And I have no problem with the namecalling, to me it says "you stand apart from the apostates"....

Thank you, sister. My understanding was that in Europe, anyone with fundamental (or even conservative) beliefs was termed an "evangelical.: (It complicates the issue, on both continents, that so many denominations have that word as part of their name: the Evangelical Presbyterians, etc.) I may have been mistaken, and I appreciate the information. Now, the press, in Europe and America as well, calls us all "evangelicals," and lumps the Bible-believers and Rick Warren types and Pentecostals all together. But they (the press) also like to talk about "fundamentalist Christians" along with "fundamentalist Muslims," to make both groups sound equally dangerous. They call Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, a "fundamentalist Christian," even though he professed to be an agnostic. The call Westboro Baptist Church, the "God Hates Fags" group, a "fundamentalist" group, even though they're 5-Point Calvinists!

Personally, I've been called an "extremist" all my life, even before I was saved! Before Christ got hold of me, I was considered a political extremist. Now I'm a "religious" extremist. Okay, fine. I can live with it ....

Quote:(Most asked question when they hear our "name" Bible believing Baptists: are there Baptists not believing the Bible then? Our reply: Sadly, yes, a whole bunch.)
Here in the NL (moderate) Baptists and Pentacostals are called evangelicals and every one that calls him/herself Biblebeliever (but even the hardcore Calvinist) is a fundamentalist and somewhat dangerous in the mind of society.... (because no-one researches and all blabber after the next one).

Exactly: they want to make us sound dangerous, and say, "The problem isn't Islam, it's all religion." I know how these worthless lying scoundrels think. I know them in my bones....

The fundamentalist/Calvinist thing gets very funny at times. When I was in some very good Presbyterian churches as a young Christian, I ran into some folks who were "more Calvinistic than Calvin." They called each other "TR:" "truly reformed." So when I became a believer in the King James, and a Baptist, I started hearing about folks who only believed in the Textus Receptus, but maybe not the KJB: and they, too, were "TR" people!

Quote:We, on the other hand, call the people who have to live to rules and don't have the SV/KJB as their authority fundamentalists

Yes! We're on the same page! That's why I said I don't like to be called a fundamentalist, and I suspect most members of this forum agree with me. The perfect example, in my opinion, is the formal Independent Fundamental Baptist movement, the types who put out The Sword of the Lord.

Quote:I know and read about several people you mention.
For me/us, with every book (even if it is KJbased) I read every Bible text AND its context to see what the people want it to say is correct, that's also what we learn our children: discernment, don't believe every one on his pretty blue eyes or even because they cite the the right Bible.
Some books are ok and others are better, but none (of course) is perfect exept for the Bible

Of course. That's why I told you about Nancy DeMoss, but didn't warn you to stay away from her books. If we limited our reading to books by Bible-believers, we'd miss a lot. This may mean something to you, or maybe not; you may be too young. But the author who has helped me the most in my thinking, apart from Dr. Ruckman, is Francis Schaeffer, the American who headed L'Abri Fellowship in Switzerland. He would have sneered at the KJB Movement, but he taught me more about evangelism and how to witness than anyone else. With all these authors, even Spurgeon, you just eat the meat, and spit out the bones.

Quote:I've also the book Lynne shows, but haven't read it yet.
I also read books like that to see what others believe and how to answer them with Scripture when someone comes along.
But I was raised in a family where women were in charge and although the Lord has straightened me out pretty well, there always needs more shaving and carving to be done. Never ready with that as long as I'm here on earth....

Sorry for derailing this thread, can't promise it will never happen again....

This was a good derailment! I enjoyed it!

Watched Stolz & Vorurteil (well Pride and Prejudice, but it had a German cover) with a dear sister last weekend.
This one was with Keira Knightley, have to say, I like the one with Colin Firth better