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The King James Version
2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of
Ethiopia.
Modern Versions
Instead of Ethiopia they say Cush.
Cush is believed to be in what we call today Iran and Ethiopia today is in Northern Africa.
Is the Ethiopia in the KJB talking about something different than the area today called Ethiopia? Has to be.
Does the Ruckman Reference Bible have a note?
There was a thread regarding the races -
http://www.avbbf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3182
Maybe it would be able to answer some of your questions - or raise more!?!?!?!?
Regarding the actual verse you quoted: Gen 2:13 - the only notes say that the word Gihon means "valley of grace" or "the breaking forth." Ethiopia means "impetuous" or "black".
In Dr. Ruckman's Genesis Commentary re: verses 10-14 (page 60) he says that the territorial limits of the land called "Eden" cannot be located in a 25-square-mile tract of land. On pages 55-56, he says Eden is the name of a country where the Garden was planted, and that in a Scripture-with-Scripture comparison (that he outlines but I'm omitting), Eden "can only be identified as a triangular-shaped piece of land with the apex at Mt. Ararat and the two bottom corners (forming the base) running from the Nile, straight east to Ur, at the top of the Persian Gulf; each side of the triangle would be nearly 1000 miles in length." This is also Abraham's original land grant and the piece of land which will belong to Israel in the Millennium.
He says, the river "Euphrates" is self-evident and so is "Hiddekel," which is the Tigris. The Hiddekel is connected with Assyria. "Gihon" is connected with Africa, somewhere north of Ethiopia, "Pison" is not located, but "Havilah" is found in Genesis 10:7, 10:29 and 1 Samuel 15:7. He goes on to say that two possible locations of "Pison" are northern Arabia and southern Palestine.
So it sounds to me like he's saying the general area of Ethiopia is the same today as it was in Bible times.
Hope this helps!
The modern translators go with modern theories of geography. However, in the King James Bible, the word "Cush" usually refers to a person: either Ham's son, or "Cush the Benjamite" (Psalm 7:1). The only time it refers to a geographical region is in Isaiah 11:11: And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. If this answers your question, you have more insight than I do!
Laura's post was extremely helpful. The RRB doesn't have a note on 2:13, but the notes on 2:12 and 2:14 say the same as what Laura quoted.
Supposedly, "Cush" is the Hebrew word for "Ethiopia." Cush means "brown;" Ethiopia means "impetuous" or "black."
You're welcome. Any time I can further cloud a question for you, I'll be happy to do so.
I was watching a show last night and they said the King James translators were in error. Thats what got me going. I did not even know the other versions used Cush instead of Ethiopia. What I'm thinking.. before the flood Ethiopia might not have been separated from Saudi Arabia by the Red Sea. They claimed the KJB was in error because of the obvious geographical layout of today.
I'm an avKJVbb and my thought to the scoffers... if KJB is not the one then prove which version it is... We know we can cancel out the originals because they are gone. We were not born with a "Greek or Hebrew" dialect so that's out. Again to the scoffers " if your version is the one then prove it to be so."
This one thing I know... there's power in the avKJV, Ecclesiastes 8:4. That book is more alive than we are...forever settled in Heaven.
(08-05-2010 03:46 PM)chriskjv Wrote: [ -> ]I was watching a show last night and they said the King James translators were in error. Thats what got me going. I did not even know the other versions used Cush instead of Ethiopia. What I'm thinking.. before the flood Ethiopia might not have been separated from Saudi Arabia by the Red Sea. They claimed the KJB was in error because of the obvious geographical layout of today.
They're pseudo-scholarly fruitbooties who have been educated past their intelligence. They're unworthy of your attention.
Phil said it right.
The show I was watching I have never seen say the KJB was in error. They even use the KJB sometimes depending on who they are talking to.. The show was on INSP at 10:30pm.
On the show they like to get different opinions some from scientists then they throw a Bible scholar in there to prove the scientist wrong. The show I saw the other night Was about the location of The Garden Of Eden..
But I got to thinking after they said the KJB was in error.. We don't know what the Earth looked like in pre flood. Like I said in another post The Red Sea might not have been there until after the flood. The river Gihon could have flowed to Ethiopia. They said the KJB was in error because it was obvious Gihon did not flow from the area of Kuwait to what is modern day Ethiopia.
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(08-06-2010 09:55 AM)chriskjv Wrote: [ -> ]The show was on INSP at 10:30pm.
That explains it. INSP, or
The Inspiration Network, is utterly unreliable, and operated primarily by charismatics: it is all that remains of Jim Bakker's PTL Network, which was purchased, after Bakker's downfall, by
Morris Cerullo, one of the most outrageous charismatic faith-healing frauds on earth. The network carries "ministries" ranging from Benny Hinn and
Creflo Dollar (the appropriately-named leader of the "Prosperity Gospel" movement) to John Ankerberg, the "apologist" and professional anti-KJB man, with whom I have had the misfortune to be personally acquainted. When not showcasing false teachers, INSP presents such drivel as Michael Landon's "Highway to Heaven" show.
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"Ancient Secrets of the Bible" is a series that was produced in 1992 and 1993. It was produced and written by unbelievers (although not skeptics; these were "nice" unbelievers) and charismatics, using whatever Hollywood talent they could afford (such as narrator William Devane, who is a fine actor, but not, to my knowledge, a believer). The program is sensationalistic and unreliable, and is also part of the lineup on the horrendous, demonic Trinity Broadcasting Network. The "Dove Awards" are given by charismatics, primarily to CCM musicians. Notice the last line of the above blurb: the program is intended to be "entertainment." You know, like World Wrestling Entertainment, formerly the WWF.
Just a little background....
You know William you are right... It seems all the religious stations are nothing but charismatics with the exception of only a few preachers. The only thing ever on WHT is Dr. Ruckman.. And before his show comes on there is a little disclaimer that says something like (this network is not responsible for the content or quality of this program and does not necessarily reflect the views of this station.) I have noticed his program is the only one that ever gets that disclaimer.