(07-27-2010 09:39 AM)Rick Schworer Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2010 06:49 AM)CKG Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2010 05:08 AM)MrsHayseed Wrote: [ -> ]page114 at the rapture a pool of blood where each living Christian had stood.
I thought maybe that was far fetched,why not just as part of our change our circulatory system changes back to how Adam and Eve's was before the fall.
what do you think?
page103 The problem for the Catholic,then,will be how to reinsert African jazz into worship services without offending the dignity and pomp of the fraudulent priests.
page104-110 .....I got lost.
How was Adam and Eve's pre-fall circulatory system different from ours?
Before the fall, whatever fluid was in the circulatory system was how God wanted it to be in the first place. When man fell, we either got blood or the blood we had before became corrupt and tainted. The life of the flesh is in the blood, and we die because our blood is bad.
Dr. Ruckman teaches, from what I understand, that because it says "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom..." we leave our blood behind.
Personally, I don't think that's what happens, the Bible says we're changed in a twinkling of an eye, and I think that goes for our entire bodies including our circulatory system.
Adam and Eve died because they sinned and were kicked out of the garden thus they no longer had access to the tree of life.
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken." (Genesis 3:22-23)
We are Adam's descendants; subject to the same death that overtook him after his expulsion from the garden.
(07-27-2010 02:42 PM)CKG Wrote: [ -> ]Adam and Eve died because they sinned and were kicked out of the garden thus they no longer had access to the tree of life.
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken." (Genesis 3:22-23)
We are Adam's descendants; subject to the same death that overtook him after his expulsion from the garden.
Absolutely, they wouldn't have died unless they sinned. When they sinned, their bodies changed to where they were mortal. They were immortal before, yet natural.
(07-27-2010 03:10 PM)Rick Schworer Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2010 02:42 PM)CKG Wrote: [ -> ]Adam and Eve died because they sinned and were kicked out of the garden thus they no longer had access to the tree of life.
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken." (Genesis 3:22-23)
We are Adam's descendants; subject to the same death that overtook him after his expulsion from the garden.
Absolutely, they wouldn't have died unless they sinned. When they sinned, their bodies changed to where they were mortal. They were immortal before, yet natural.
If they were immortal before the fall then why was the tree of life there?
(07-27-2010 05:52 PM)CKG Wrote: [ -> ]If they were immortal before the fall then why was the tree of life there?
Hmmmm.... so you could ask me why it was there?
I don't know, good point!
Counterpoint:
If death comes from sin, Romans 5, how could they have died before they sinned?
(07-27-2010 06:11 PM)Rick Schworer Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2010 05:52 PM)CKG Wrote: [ -> ]If they were immortal before the fall then why was the tree of life there?
Hmmmm.... so you could ask me why it was there?
I don't know, good point!
Counterpoint:
If death comes from sin, Romans 5, how could they have died before they sinned?
If they had not sinned they would not have been removed from the garden and would have had access to the tree of life to keep them alive.
Genesis 3
9. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
16. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying,
Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17.
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.