AV Bible Believers Fellowship

by M. Paulson





The words of the LORD are pure words:
as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Psalm 12:6,7



There are those of you 'brethren', so you call yourselves anyway, who would deny me my belief on the King James 1611 Bible being the inspired, pure and preserved words of God. You folks base your criticism on intensive study of the Bible and manuscript evidence falsely so-called (probably not your own studies and so you are just following a man as much as you criticize us for doing). You tell me the AV1611 has many errors in it. You tell me there have been "TEXTUAL" changes in the 7 editions of the AV1611. You all even taunt me about our use of the year 1611. After all, you say, we cannot even read an AV1611 without formatting the text with Roman Type. You would deny me the "ignorant" position of believing the AV1611 being infallible.

Let me ask you to answer the following questions about my position:

1. How many people am I leading to Hell because I believe the AV1611 is infallible?

2. How many young Christians will grow up with a stunted knowledge of the Bible, if I teach them to read it with the belief it is infallible and the very words of God?

3. What is wrong with holding up the AV1611 and telling Bible-believing Christians, "You can trust every word"?

4. How much of my reward will I lose for trusting God to keep his "WORDS" to every generation?

5. If I am not allowed to believe the AV1611 is infallible, then which version should hold that distinction?

6. If no version can hold that distinction, what do you suggest I tell my grand-children the next time they read Psalm 12:6-7?

7. If I am forced to learn Hebrew and Greek before I can study the "words" of God, will you pay for our lessons?

8. Please tell me why you still "preach from" the AV1611 but do not believe it is infallible?

9. Which Bible do you use in your private studies and which one is the "best translation"?

10. Why can't you just leave us "ignorant brethren" alone with our belief in the infallibility of the Scriptures and let us retain the title "Bible-believers", while you could use the title "Bible-correctors and interpreters"?


I know I will continue to receive tons of comments telling me how stupid I am, and how ignorant of the truth I am, and how I am leading my friends astray holding up the "infallible" AV1611. But somehow, I cannot see the Lord condemning me for trusting Him and His promise in Psalm 12:6,7. Can anyone imagine I would make God angry because I believe He has preserved for me His inspired words, just as I believe He has promised?

Come on..... What's wrong with believing the King James Bible Only?

What do YOU have to offer in its place other than confusion - hundreds of different versions all saying different things - hundreds of different Greek texts all saying different things because you DO KNOW that the 'originals' are not available, right? You do know that, I hope!

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Luke 4:4

What do you have to offer us regarding that EVERY word of God that we are to live by?



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Very good piece, sister, thank you for posting it!

It is good. However, are we really KJO "only". I think not. I personally am KJO as I do not read anything but English (forgot what little I know of other languages), but I do not believe KJO.

Why? I think that God's promise to perserve His word began before 1611. I think God has always perserved His word to every generation. One might consider Wycliffe for example. Is it a real Bible. I think most of us will say YES.

I think this ends my point. What I have found is that when you say you're a KJB person and they label you as KJO and you explain that God has always perserved His word - it goes no where as they re-hash and say -------- you KJO people and you can say no, I'm a KJB and they will still ridicule you. Why; they hate the KJB and also the gospel. They hate the gospel of Chist Jesus. Our adversary the Devil.... is the enemy; the person is just lost without the understanding that comes from God.

I know Mike Paulson, I painted his church about 10 years ago with my Dad.

(11-01-2010 08:28 AM)Samuel Pickens Wrote: [ -> ]It is good. However, are we really KJO "only". I think not. I personally am KJO as I do not read anything but English (forgot what little I know of other languages), but I do not believe KJO.

Why? I think that God's promise to perserve His word began before 1611. I think God has always perserved His word to every generation. One might consider Wycliffe for example. Is it a real Bible. I think most of us will say YES.

I think this ends my point. What I have found is that when you say you're a KJB person and they label you as KJO and you explain that God has always perserved His word - it goes no where as they re-hash and say -------- you KJO people and you can say no, I'm a KJB and they will still ridicule you. Why; they hate the KJB and also the gospel. They hate the gospel of Chist Jesus. Our adversary the Devil.... is the enemy; the person is just lost without the understanding that comes from God.

Sam,
With all due respect, Wycliffe was a forerunner of the KJB. It was not nor could it be infallible. God held that distinction for the book that has blessed more people and been used to win more people to HIM than any other predecessor.

(11-01-2010 02:02 PM)skyborn77 Wrote: [ -> ]Sam,
With all due respect, Wycliffe was a forerunner of the KJB. It was not nor could it be infallible. God held that distinction for the book that has blessed more people and been used to win more people to HIM than any other predecessor.

Do you believe that nothing between the originals and the KJB was infallible?

Without splitting hairs, may I suggest that we differentiate between the words "infallible" and "perfect?" They have different meanings, after all. I believe that a number of English translations before 1611 were the infallible word of God for their times, but the final purification, to perfection, did not happen until the KJB was completed.

That's my , anyway.

(11-01-2010 05:48 PM)William Wrote: [ -> ]Without splitting hairs, may I suggest that we differentiate between the words "infallible" and "perfect?" They have different meanings, after all. I believe that a number of English translations before 1611 were the infallible word of God for their times, but the final purification, to perfection, did not happen until the KJB was completed.

That's my , anyway.

I agree.

I don't think you can have preservation without purification. When moving the words of God from Greek to English, I believe God purified them, as English is a more descriptive language than Greek.

My take is simply this: God's word is infallible, without error (John 17:17; Acts l:3). In His infallible word, God promises to keep His words (note: W-0-R-D-S, not messages). Not one word was to be in error.

"The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, 0 Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." Psalm 12:6-7 From here; forever ;-D

For verily I say unto you, till Heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matt. 5:18

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." Matt. 24:35

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." I Peter 1:23

God promised to perserve His Word to every generation. Man was not to add to or take from God's word (Deuteronomy 4:2; Prov. 30:6; Revelation 22:18). Thou shalt keep them, 0 Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." Psalm 12:7

I Thess. 2:13 "For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe." Here we see the word of God existed at this time.

It was alive and real at the above time. God's Word is true and so are His promises.

Our KJB is a translation. It is not the original. It is a Holy Bible and as good as the original. God has perserved His word forever. Yes; I believe it will exist in Heaven. The KJB is the only modern English Bible we have. I use the 1769 version personally. I have the 1611 that I read from ocassionally with some degree of difficulty. The 1769 says the exact same thing but easier for me to read. If I were to say I'm a KJB 1611 only person; it would not be so. I would be in err if I said the King James Bible is the only Bible ever and there are none other.