So, I know we can't really know the day nor the hour, but it doesn't say we can't know the year.
I had a theory, and I was wondering what you guys thought of it. This isn't something I've claimed as being infallible truth, we all get ideas from time to time and this is just one of mine, and I'm not even sold on it. I'm just throwing it out there for discussion.
Matthew 24:32-34, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
[33] So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
[34] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
So, as commonly taught, the fig tree is Israel. Israel putting forth leaves being Israel established as a nation in 1945.
Then it says that the generation that sees this will see the Second Coming.
I've heard that in the Bible a generation is 70 years and/or 100 years.
1948 + 70 years = 2018 - 7 year Tribulation = 2011 (Next year!)
or
1948 + 100 years = 2048 - 7 year Tribulation = 2041 (Don't cash in your IRA!)
Just a thought, what are your guy's thoughts?
(06-21-2010 04:32 PM)Rick Schworer Wrote: [ -> ]So, I know we can't really know the day nor the hour, but it doesn't say we can't know the year.
I had a theory, and I was wondering what you guys thought of it. This isn't something I've claimed as being infallible truth, we all get ideas from time to time and this is just one of mine, and I'm not even sold on it. I'm just throwing it out there for discussion.
Matthew 24:32-34, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
[33] So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
[34] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
So, as commonly taught, the fig tree is Israel. Israel putting forth leaves being Israel established as a nation in 1945.
Then it says that the generation that sees this will see the Second Coming.
I've heard that in the Bible a generation is 70 years and/or 100 years.
1948 + 70 years = 2018 - 7 year Tribulation = 2011 (Next year!)
or
1948 + 100 years = 2048 - 7 year Tribulation = 2041 (Don't cash in your IRA!)
Just a thought, what are your guy's thoughts?
Ahh..a mathematician after my own heart.
Brother, if you can nail that year you've got your'e next book!
Christians are looking for extra- Biblical indicators now to go along with what you're addressing,i.e. , The Temple rebuilt or begun, Israel attacked ( Psalm 83, Eze. 38, 39 Prophecies), or 2 thess. 2:3 fulfilled.
I personally am absolutely bereft that it hasn't happened yet, but time crawls when you are constantly looking for Him.
"A watched pot never never boils."
Jesus never said we could not know the day or hour. He simply said that no one then present could know. I am going to ask william if I can give you all the address to my website where I discuss this in fine detail. I am so glad I found this place!
(06-21-2010 04:32 PM)Rick Schworer Wrote: [ -> ]So, I know we can't really know the day nor the hour, but it doesn't say we can't know the year.
I had a theory, and I was wondering what you guys thought of it. This isn't something I've claimed as being infallible truth, we all get ideas from time to time and this is just one of mine, and I'm not even sold on it. I'm just throwing it out there for discussion.
Matthew 24:32-34, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
[33] So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
[34] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
So, as commonly taught, the fig tree is Israel. Israel putting forth leaves being Israel established as a nation in 1945.
Then it says that the generation that sees this will see the Second Coming.
I've heard that in the Bible a generation is 70 years and/or 100 years.
1948 + 70 years = 2018 - 7 year Tribulation = 2011 (Next year!)
or
1948 + 100 years = 2048 - 7 year Tribulation = 2041 (Don't cash in your IRA!)
Just a thought, what are your guy's thoughts?
Well the Prophesy in Daniel says"..form the going forth of the commandment to rebuild and restore Jerusalem, until the coming of Messiah the Prince shall be 7 weeks, and threescore and two weeks.."
69 yrs. from 1948 till 2017 ?
" ...and after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself.. 62 yrs. 1947-2010"(The rapture..2010 ? )
Many Preterists claim this was fulfilled with the 1st advent, and they even claim Revelation was previously fulfilled, as with all the Prophets.
Even the A-Millenialists believe that we are ushering in the Kingdom by finally becoming good enough or reaching a point of becoming devoted enough to warrant the Lord's coming, If I understand the theology.
It is possible that this parable of the fig tree goes hand in hand with this prophesy in Daniel 9.
But i am reluctant, because 2027 will mark the 2,000 yr. mark of the Messiah's death( roughly)..would it be unrealistic to think that He could come before that landmark is achieved ?
(09-30-2010 11:38 AM)skyborn77 Wrote: [ -> ]Jesus never said we could not know the day or hour. He simply said that no one then present could know. I am going to ask william if I can give you all the address to my website where I discuss this in fine detail. I am so glad I found this place!
The site is
sounddoctrine.com . That's a link.
I have also taken the liberty of putting the link in our brother's signature. Links in signatures are a violation of the rules, unless they're approved in advance. (That's to keep HyperDispensationalists and such from linking to off-brand sites, although that's not much of a problem at present.) Obviously, this one
was approved! That doesn't mean that we endorse every word on his site, just as his presence here doesn't mean he endorses everything
we say. But his site is, um, sound doctrine. It's an excellent resource.
(09-30-2010 02:33 PM)William Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2010 11:38 AM)skyborn77 Wrote: [ -> ]Jesus never said we could not know the day or hour. He simply said that no one then present could know. I am going to ask william if I can give you all the address to my website where I discuss this in fine detail. I am so glad I found this place!
The site is sounddoctrine.com . That's a link.
I have also taken the liberty of putting the link in our brother's signature. Links in signatures are a violation of the rules, unless they're approved in advance. (That's to keep HyperDispensationalists and such from linking to off-brand sites, although that's not much of a problem at present.) Obviously, this one was approved! That doesn't mean that we endorse every word on his site, just as his presence here doesn't mean he endorses everything we say. But his site is, um, sound doctrine. It's an excellent resource.
Since William approved the link, the article in question is called "The Blessed Hope". There will be a link to it on the site. It is rather lengthy, but will without doubt cause you to think. God is GOOD.
Bro Rowley
Bro Rowley's 'The Blessed Hope' is a must read.I have gone to the bother of printing it out for an NIV Elder to read and I notice he went and got a NEW KING JIMMY
and he has not understood the piece but you will Rick.
Do read it I have over and over and have also printed a copy for my son Justin who loved it too.
I don't think we can know the year or even the century. People have been speculating for a long time as to when Jesus will return and they have failed every time. I clearly remember people using 1948 as a "countdown" back in the late 1970's. Except they used a forty year generation and came up with 1988. So I don't think 2018 or 2048 will be any different.
(09-30-2010 06:20 PM)skyborn77 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2010 02:33 PM)William Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2010 11:38 AM)skyborn77 Wrote: [ -> ]Jesus never said we could not know the day or hour. He simply said that no one then present could know. I am going to ask william if I can give you all the address to my website where I discuss this in fine detail. I am so glad I found this place!
The site is sounddoctrine.com . That's a link.
I have also taken the liberty of putting the link in our brother's signature. Links in signatures are a violation of the rules, unless they're approved in advance. (That's to keep HyperDispensationalists and such from linking to off-brand sites, although that's not much of a problem at present.) Obviously, this one was approved! That doesn't mean that we endorse every word on his site, just as his presence here doesn't mean he endorses everything we say. But his site is, um, sound doctrine. It's an excellent resource.
Since William approved the link, the article in question is called "The Blessed Hope". There will be a link to it on the site. It is rather lengthy, but will without doubt cause you to think. God is GOOD.
Bro Rowley
Are you the Bro. Rowley that started the King James Bible church in Des Plaines, Il ?
Israel was given a state in 1948. Generations are defined, what, only two scriptures. Do we know the generation perished in the wilderness = 40 yrs of wandering and on to the promise land.
Many gave 1948 and then 1967 (six day war) and so on. Then you have dispensationalists and pre-mil folk. Some put the rapture prior to tribulation. However we have had tribulation since the first century and waiting the Great Trib so as it is the worst of the worst at the end time. John said we are living in the end time and antichrist is already here - that was first century. The papacy is the antichrist. Who is the Beast?
Some carry: rapture - trib of 7 yr - then assert that the Jews will live on earth as before and Jesus will be with them and on and on with a temple and sacrifice and keeping law, etc...... then after a 1000 yr period satan will be loosed and another final battle and salvation and, and, and something or other.
Something clear: at the Rapture, we that are alive and remain will be caught up to meet Him in the air forever to be with the Lord. Where Jesus is; there will we be.
Here are the scriptures on dispensation:
Ephesians 3:2
If ye have heard of the DISPENSATION of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
1 Corinthians 9:17
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a DISPENSATION [of the gospel] is committed unto me.
Colossians 1:25
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the DISPENSATION of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
Ephesians 1:10
That in the DISPENSATION of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in Heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:
I have tried to search the 'dispensalionalist' teaching and mostly find Darby of the Plymouth Brethren is the founder of its teaching and has catholic ties to distract to a future antichrist and take attention away from the pope. Now; that may not be 100% it. First, second, third and fourth century writers leave some spasmodic accounts and their take is a difficult read or it is for me. And tracking who said what right to tracking the writing of REV is also difficult as though it seems it was written after the destruction of the temple. What about DAN 9 to Jesus? Not just to REV or Armageddon.
Many get side-tracked. We do know and agree we are to watch and maintain good stewardship and be faithful. I do not think there are different paths for salvation; Jesus is the way, the truth and the light - no man cometh to the Father except by me and no man cometh to me except my Father draw him. This is the path to salvation and when we go to be with Jesus, we will forever be with Him.
I see the final battle of Armageddon not in Israel but near. I see the mid-east as full of oil and central location from which to strick or? I do see the conflict between Arabs and Jews and Israel is promised via Jacob to the Jew as Abraham was father to both Arab and Jew. That's why when you say it's promised to Abraham's children, the Arab says, yes, that's right. It's promised to Jacob's or Israel. What is there; bad economy, gold, coal, oil, silver, timber, fertile land ----------- how about bad economy. It is a weird situation existing and seemingly many weird thoughts surrounding it.
Regardless; I see a final battle of Armageddon and meeting Jesus in the air and I know we will have a NH & NE. I find it hard to see a re-creating the earth and new old ways and animal sacrifice and then another final battle and where is everybody and where is Jesus?
I will believe the scripture: forever shall we be with the Lord.
Now; can anyone paint their picture and define the rapture - trib - final battle and whatever taking place in order?