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A link to the book Final Authority by Dr. William P. Grady:

http://www.biblebelievers.com/Grady/Fina...ority.html

Fantastic, Laura! I didn't know this was available online!

This is undoubtedly Grady's masterpiece. It's a good companion to Hill's The King James Bible Defended. Thanks for finding it!

Dr. Grady just released a new book on the KJB issue, entitled "Given by Inspiration." It answers the questions about whether the KJB is "inspired" or "preserved" (and the answer is BOTH - the Bible makes distinction between the two!)
This is not a heavily footnoted book - it is a straight Scriptural answer that defines the terms "given by inspiration."
Excellent reading!

Here is the website if anyone is interested:
http://givenbyinspiration.3dcartstores.c...s_c_9.html

In Christ

(10-27-2010 06:22 PM)Steve Schwenke Wrote: [ -> ]Dr. Grady just released a new book on the KJB issue, entitled "Given by Inspiration." It answers the questions about whether the KJB is "inspired" or "preserved" (and the answer is BOTH - the Bible makes distinction between the two!)
This is not a heavily footnoted book - it is a straight Scriptural answer that defines the terms "given by inspiration."
Excellent reading!

Here is the website if anyone is interested:
http://givenbyinspiration.3dcartstores.c...s_c_9.html

In Christ

Ooooo..... looks good!

(10-27-2010 06:29 PM)Rick Schworer Wrote: [ -> ]Ooooo..... looks good!

It is good: I'm reading it right now. I didn't put it in the "What Are You Reading" thread because I couldn't find a good image of the cover: it's so new that Google Images doesn't have it.

It's a tough book. Grady names names that some people aren't gonna want to see named! Hint: certain peeps in Hammond, Indiana will not care for the book at all....

I'll write more when I've finished it!

(10-27-2010 06:41 PM)William Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-27-2010 06:29 PM)Rick Schworer Wrote: [ -> ]Ooooo..... looks good!

It is good: I'm reading it right now. I didn't put it in the "What Are You Reading" thread because I couldn't find a good image of the cover: it's so new that Google Images doesn't have it.

It's a tough book. Grady names names that some people aren't gonna want to see named! Hint: certain peeps in Hammond, Indiana will not care for the book at all....

I'll write more when I've finished it!

I've always had mixed feeling about that sort of thing.

I know the Bible tells us to mark them which cause division. I have no problem with Doc tearing the seat out of the pants of those who said they believed the word of God and then corrected it in their schools. I'm almost finished reading his book, The Last Grenade, in which that's all the book is about.

Some Bible Believers just seem too over eager to do this though for my tastes (I'm certainly not suggesting anything in regards to Dr. Grady). As if Dr. Ruckman didn't do enough of it, and as if the battle still needs to be waged. I know there are Bible correctors out there still, and there always will be, but within the Independent Baptist movement the KJVO battle has been won.

The real battle within that movement is FOR holiness and AGAINST contemporary Christian music, which is destroying us. So many who "have the right book" are being cut off at the knees for compromising in these areas.

(10-28-2010 11:26 AM)Rick Schworer Wrote: [ -> ]I know there are Bible correctors out there still, and there always will be, but within the Independent Baptist movement the KJVO battle has been won.

Brother, I would politely disagree with your statement here. There are IFB churches that do not say that the King James is the word of God, but the 'best translation', and I have seen false doctrines taught at IFB churches. They're even going the CCM/Praise & Worship route in formerly 'good' IFB churches.

I don't believe anything will be 'won' until the Lord returns.

(10-28-2010 11:26 AM)Rick Schworer Wrote: [ -> ]I've always had mixed feeling about that sort of thing.

I know the Bible tells us to mark them which cause division. I have no problem with Doc tearing the seat out of the pants of those who said they believed the word of God and then corrected it in their schools. I'm almost finished reading his book, The Last Grenade, in which that's all the book is about.

I do too. I think vigilance and plain speaking is necessary, and naming names is part of that. But there's such a thing as doing it for its own sake; attacking the bad guys because it's fun, or because it makes us feel better about ourselves, or ... and this is a real problem ... because we're trying to be conformed to the image of Peter S. Ruckman, which is not God's intention. Ruuckman himself cautions against this, of course, and I don't think Grady does it at all. But I share your mixed emotions.

Quote:Some Bible Believers just seem too over eager to do this though. As if Dr. Ruckman didn't do enough of it, and as if the battle still needs to be waged. I know there are Bible correctors out there still, and there always will be, but within the Independent Baptist movement the KJVO battle has been won.

Here we disagree, but I love you dearly and disagree with great respect. I think the King James battle has been largely lost in the IFB movement, though not in all IFB churches. The true Bible of the IFB movement, The Sword of the Lord, is, and always has been, disgustingly wishy-washy on the issue, and every editor in its history has been, when pressed, a Bible corrector. As I've said before, the current régime at the Sword will praise the KJB all day long, and has changed many of their "Sword Conferences" to "King James Conferences," but this is simply a move to fool the suckers. They never give the deep textual reasons for believing the KJB, and they never, ever discuss what's wrong with the new versions.Their support for the King James Bible is a mile wide and an inch deep, and they don't equip believers to understand or discuss the real issues.

Quote:The real battle within that movement is FOR holiness and AGAINST contemporary Christian music, which is destroying us. So many who "have the right book" are being cut off at the knees for compromising in these areas.

I agree with you about CCM and its devastating influence on good churches. But "having the right Bible," while good, can change at any moment if the people in the pews don't understand why they should have that Bible. But in most IFB churches, it goes no deeper than, "If the KJB was good enough for John R. Rice and Lee Robertson, who are we to question it?"

This, Brother Rick, is an example of slight disagreement between brothers that doesn't really cause division, and it's one of the joys of this special little forum.

Interesting. I'll admit I'm insulated from many of the internal wars of the IFB movement, being placed within the far northwest of Idaho. My pastor has said the King James issue was won, and I was just going off of that. He could be wrong too though!

One thing is for sure, if the IFB movement thinks that Lee Robertson and especially John R. Rice were the ideal defenders of the KJB, they're completely nuts. John R. Rice was a very avid Bible corrector and said that the ASV was the most accurate version available. Dr. Robertson, though he never spoke against the KJB and said he "preferred it", had his faculty infested with Bible correctors.